I don't think anybody should be able to choose driverside.

Just for every car fix it for everybody! Otherwise some people would have an advantage because they choose something when they first got lfs and others will always have disavantage. Also, everybody will choose they same option which is best for te track.


I think there are two possibilitys:
Leave it as it is
or
remove drivesside option from lfs, each car locked in position. For example, rac is more european-> left side, lx6 more brittish -> right side, gtr' s all left etc.

Quote from Stang70Fastback :

Well you have to remember that you don't usually hear normal street cars driving at full throttle and revving to 6000+ RPM. That is usually a bit louder. Not to mention that the road cars in LFS would likely be cars that would have a couple small tweaks made to them, which would probably include a high flow-rate exhaust which would surely be a bit louder than pure stock...

A lot of tracks have very strict regulations about how loud a car is allowed to be. The performance of the road cars in lfs do not require special exhausts. So I assume they are quiet irl too.

Quote from somasleep :

So if everything is just matter behaving according to physical laws...

Nothing has been found (yet?) that indicates otherwise. Mathematician Sir Roger Penrose has written some popular books about how he hopes to find room for non material beings to influence physics in the realm of quantum probability but neuro scientists tend to disagree.

Worth reading, it's a great summary of modern physics, computer technology and mathematics and how they relate to philosophy.


My view on the thread topic: the main reason for war is the greed of certain people but religion is a more powerful tool to get things moving than modern mass media can ever be.

Last edited by J.B., Fri 28 Mar 2008, 08:39.

Instructions on how to use it?

I started the exe, started LFS, pressed shift-u and pressed the buttons on the app. Nothing happened. I also tried first manually moving the cam due to the hint in the first post.

Am I doing something wrong or is it perhaps incompatible to the newest test patch?

Quote from Mustafur :

What about Rosberg smashing into Glock and making a completety epicly failed weekend(for Both drivers).

Yeah, had also thought of that one but felt I hadn't really seen a decent replay (not sure if they only caught the incident late or if I just wasn't paying attention) so I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

But surely that wouldn't happen in a real race? I remember Schumacher one served his penalty on the final lap at Silverstone and won the race because of that but I think that caused some rule changes.

Any rule experts here?

My guess is that the pitlane is red on the final lap and outstanding stop and go and drive through penalties are converted to time penalties.

Quote from Kalev EST :

To be fair Heidfeld got very unlucky at turn one when Trulli forced him very very wide making him loose several places. Kubica on the other hand had a good start and had the track all to himself for the entire race. Don´t get me wrong, Kubica was better in this race but I think calling one´s performance brilliant and other´s a failure is a bit harsh.

Ah, that was it. I tried to think of the reason Heidfeld was so far back but couldn't remember. His performance of course wasn't completely bad but I was already struggling to come up with three drivers that messed up. And I'm still not sure why wasn't able to recover better from the first corner.

Quote from JO53PHS :

He was black flagged for repairs, but got a penalty for speeding in the pits. There wasn't enough time left to serve the penalty, so he crossed the line with a DTP and was disqualified

So it's a problem with LFS?

Why did you get disqualified?

Here's my list for this race (headers borrowed from duke toaster).

Great Success:
Raikkonen for showing Massa who the boss is
Kubica for beating both McLarens fair and square
Webber for finishing ahead of the works Renaults

Epic Fail:
Heidfeld for finishing 4 places behind Kubica
Bourdais for not even managing a lap
? no one obvious (Massa spin looked odd)


And about the question of overtaking. IMO it certainly isn't true that F1 races have always had so little overtaking even though it's true that the complaints have always been the same. Slipstreams have gotten less effective and defensive driving maneuvers have become more aggressive.

But the problem of how to improve the situation has been solved for at least three years now: no TC and proper Venturi floors. People have suspected this for years, GP2 tried it and it worked. I think the TC ban has already made F1 much more interesting but I'm less convinced by the future aero changes.

Quote from xaotik :

Or just get this torrent file: Stepney.F2007.REPACK.[McL4r3n].torrent

:ices_rofl

Interesting posts about:
Save the enviroment, don' t be stationary so long, we' ve got laws tc.

It does not happen irl, so it should also not happen in a simulation.

The point about annoying if people are idle in pits, with engine cut there are still idle in pits. Whats the difference? Get a live !

The engine cut itself is not annoying or a problem, it just feels wrong.

Quote from Bumpdrafter :

Gravity is there, kind of. R is the normal force (m.g).

Ok. Then the brackets around the 1/4 and the unit conversion are the problems.

The formula seems to be based on the idea that at your max cornering speed you will be on the throttle just enough to stop the drag from slowing you down. Not sure how useful that approach is for race track simulation. Ok I guess for a simulation that brakes and accelerates in a straight line, but not very close to real life. I think Brian Beckman had some simple calculations in his Physics of Racing series that also consider accelerating and steering wheel unwinding.

Last edited by J.B., Sat 22 Mar 2008, 16:00.

Not looking good for McLaren this weekend. And both Hamilton and Raikkonen have surprisingly already been outqualified... Could still be an exiting race though.

And tbh a penalty for fuel crawlers on the racing line wouldn't be out of place. Although I wouldn't be happy as Raikkonen didn't get penalized in Australia for an even worse case of blocking.

Last edited by J.B., Sat 22 Mar 2008, 08:17.

Maybe brackets around the "1/4"? Either way I couldn't come up with 95mph. Also there doesn't seem to be any gravity in your formula. What are you trying to calculate anyway? Drag force doesn't contribute to cornering force.

You can get Death Rally, Slicks'n'Slide and Wacky Wheels here. Personally I like stunts if you can find it anywhere.

Quote from AndroidXP :

That's a performance optimization feature, so that cars idling on the side of the track can be removed from the physics loop, speeding up the calculations for everybody else.

Well it is not realistic. Also as soon as everybody is back on track(eg race-restart), people with a slow computer will still have a performance problem

I never did notice any difference in frame-rate with many racers online except when many cars are visible on screen.

When idle and in neutral a normal road-car engine will never stall unless its broken or runs out of fuel or something is very wrong with the enviroment(like in the water/sinking)

I think spontanous engine stalls on road cars should be removed. It just doesn't happen irl. Normal engines run fine at idle rpm or stall very quickly or will be running irregular rpm at being idle.

Last edited by Bluebird B B, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 22:16. Reason : removed 'have' from sentence

I just did a quick AA/AF fraps benchmark with an mpr and setting 4x/8x gave me exactly the same frame rates when set in LFS as when set in the driver. So seems to be working fine on x1950 pro.

Quote from Linsen :

Hamilton put in a very solid performance. I don't think anyone could seriously doubt that. He qualified first, had a very good start and made absolutely no mistakes throughout the race as far as I could tell. So, in which way exactly was it handed to him?

Somebody was hacking the timing screens to put in all those purple splits and lap times.

Quote from dougie-lampkin :

Doesn't diesel get more torque? That's why tractors, trucks and that sort of thing are diesel, not for speed, but for low-down torque...

Petrol is better for HP I know, that's why supercars and such are petrol.

IDK...That's the way I looked at it

Replace the engine of a tractor with samed size petrol engine designed for torgue at low rpm. You will be amazed how simular the performance will be.

But diesel-engines are cheaper to run (better fuel economy and fuel is cheaper) and diesel fuel is saver to use, because diesel-engines and fuel tanks are less likely to catch fire due to accidents or failures of the engine.

Overal, petrol is better in all areas if you only care about performance. But diesel has other advantages.

Last edited by Bluebird B B, Sun 16 Mar 2008, 13:34. Reason : typo

Quote from Mazz4200 :

Not sure why you think Nakajima should be in that list ?

For me i'd have to say Piquet was the worst driver in the field, i'd even go as far as to say taking this weekends performance as a whole, he looks positively out of his depth

I added the reason in my post. Piquet only got away because I'm only judging the race and I didn't see what happened to him. If I were judging the whole weekend he would be the worst by far.

Think I'm going to make a personal list of top 3, worst 3 per race this year.

Stars:
Hamilton for being untouchable
Bourdais for being faster than Kovalainen and Alonso at the end
Alonso for being aggressive and exiting

Noobs:
Raikkonen for making two disgracefully silly mistakes
Massa for forgetting that he has no TC in T1
Nakajima for hitting Kubica

Last edited by J.B., Sun 16 Mar 2008, 06:56.

Quote from dougie-lampkin :

It revs fairly low, compared to the RB4 and XRT though...maybe not diesel-low, but still quite low...E-85 perhaps? XD

Put a low-pressure turbo on any normal petrol engine(with right adjustments) and you will be amazed how mucht torgue the engine will produce.

Diesels are always slower then petrol, but people compare turbocharged diesels engines to non-turbo petrol engines.

With equal quality turbochargers, diesels are much slower than petrol engines. Petrol gets more torgue and a lot more HP.

Ontopic: balancing a car-class with totally different type of cars is futile.

Quote from Intrepid :

Kubica and Hamilton at the front again.... Get Rosberg in there and it's the skool of 2000 back

Probably one of the reasons Rosberg didn't want to go to McLaren: he knows what it's like to have Hamilton as team mate.